Modoc County, California, issues more concealed weapon permits than Los Angeles County, despite having less than one-fiftieth the population -- and the place is a shooting gallery, right?

Cantrall and about 270 fellow residents of this sparsely populated corner of northeastern California routinely carry concealed handguns. When it comes to packing heat — at least legally — no other county in the state surpasses Modoc.

According to state Department of Justice statistics, about one in 29 residents here has a concealed-weapons permit. That compares with one in 800 residents for the rest of the state.

Modoc County issues almost as many permits as Los Angeles County — which has more than 50 times more people. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca has approved only 377 permits, mostly for judges, prosecutors, public defenders and retired federal agents. ...

Records kept by the state attorney general's office indicate that violent crimes occur here at less than one-third the rate in Los Angeles County. According to FBI statistics, there was only one homicide in Modoc County from 1993 through 2002. Sheriff Mix says the county averages about one "questionable death a year, including suicide."

Gee, do you think there's a connection? Nah, that's just too simplistic.

(HT: Al Rantel on the radio.)

11 Comments

Xrlq said:

Now you know how to get your CCW. Move to Modoc, and tell the sheriff exactly what you told the Hawthorne P.D.

Helluva commute, though.

Rick C said:

So how is your quest to get your CCW going? You haven't talked about that in a while.

Mark said:

Crime, in general, is lower in rural areas and rural counties.... CCW permits or not.

This doesn't showcase the benefits of CCW as much as it illustrates the difference in crime rates between urban and rural areas.

If you want to talk about how CCW lowers crime, compare similar environments... not a city to a rural county.

It does suggest, however, that gun availability is, relative to other factors, pretty minor. Perhaps instead of focusing on guns, we should be focused on the cultural problems that make big cities so violent.

Mark: Go check out Mr. Cramer's defensive gun-use blog. There have been lots of studies showing that states and cities experience drops in crime rates when they liberalize their concealed carry laws.

Mark said:

MW: "Mark: Go check out Mr. Cramer's defensive gun-use blog. There have been lots of studies showing that states and cities experience drops in crime rates when they liberalize their concealed carry laws."

Fine. You should've used those examples instead of the one you did.

SteveF said:

Come now. We're all adults here, and we know how the world works. Guns cause crime, everyone knows that. More guns = more crime. The VRWC and all the right-leaning mass media are manipulating the facts to force people to think that letting more people carry guns will prevent crime, and to disguise the well-known fact that guns are evil.

tenunda said:


I'm from Modoc, and the number of guns doesn't dictate the number of crimes or vice versa, it's the fact that people know each other, are kind, and have no reason to inflict violence on each other. It's a community.

Mark Main said:

I as well live in Modoc county. Even though we have all these concealed guns. Its all for show. or just shooting as a hobby. In this town, everyone knows everyone one way or another. Sure people have there enemies, but if you were to hurt one person here, youd be hurting someone you cared for, just do to everyone effecting everyone in one way or another. This is a town where you jog from one end to the other, and your arms sore from waving to so many people. Not your legs from jogging the two miles.

Arlenne said:

Just as a random thought, the person who posted before Mark M. posted their comment on my birthday! And I think that's amusing. Too bad we barely have any guns here in the peninsula. Darn!

Ron Smith said:

Do you know if Modoc county (or any other in CA) has issued CCW permits to owners of second homes there?
I live in Reno, NV, have wondered if this is possible. Any leads would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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