Another revealing position, via Charles Coleson (Brad's favorite author):
"I think abortion is killing a life. [But] the person who is pregnant should decide whether to do it or not." ...As Donald Sensing notes: chilling.Ms. Flores’s attitude is deeply troubling, especially when you realize how widespread it is. Over and over again, people at the march made similar comments—the kind of comments that make your hair stand on end. The political debate is changing among activists on the ground. They’re now willing to admit that abortion is killing. But they’re arguing that their right to do what they want, without restraint, justifies that killing.
What we are seeing, of course, is the logical consequences of the desire for personal autonomy in an era of moral relativism. People can say with a perfectly straight face and without a twinge of conscience, "Yeah, it is wrong. It is murder. But nobody is going to tell me I can’t do it."
As I've said many times before, as science and technology advance it will become impossible to deny that abortion ends a human life. For pro-abortionists, however, the power to abort is axiomatic; if the facts don't end up supporting their position then, the facts must be changed.
I think this really reveals more about "liberal" thinking than anything else. It is a revelation, I believe, that most liberals believe that any external controls to their behavior constitute "repression".
I'm not sure how someone handles that dichotomy either. I'm anti-criminalization mainly because I don't believe that it is murder for early term abortions. (The bible uses a different word for "killing" than "murder".) I still think it is a sin (against the commandment "Go forth and be fruitful") but I only support the criminalization of acts that harm another person -- and a fetus is not a person.
Phelps: You seem to acknowledge the Bible as a clear and accurate source of truth. If that is the case, try these on for size:
Psalms 139:14 - "I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made..."
AND
Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Kind of a glaring body of evidence to the contrary of your opinion, wouldn't you say?
These "its a fetus not a baby" thinkers really irritate me, espcially when they quote from the Bible within the same paragraph that they write to claim abortion isn't the taking of a human life.
Sorry to be so harsh, Phelps, but if you profess a belief in God's Word, your position on abortion is clearly wrong, and reprehensible.
Women have a choice -- they have a choice whether or not to have sex in the first place (pregnancies from rape only occur in 5% of rape cases). They have a choice to use protection or not use protection. After that, in my opinion, the decision making process is over. If you're not ready for children, you shouldn't be having sex in the first place!
Petra: I agree with you.
Phelps: I don't think "be fruitful and multiply" is a command that really carries down to our particular time. It was only given twice, and both times the earth was apparently nearly unpopulated.
"abort is axiomatic; if the facts don't end up supporting their position then, the facts must be changed."
What facts are they trying to change? Do you mean the fact that killing an innocent is murder? I don't see pro-abortionists trying to change the facts, I see them making the facts, as they appear and are discovered, matter less and less compared to their desires. The facts were once used to support their position, now they are saying the facts don't matter.