I rarely read or quote Andrew Sullivan anymore, largely because of the vitriolic nonsense he spews over the gay marriage issue; it bores me and leaves me dumber for having read it.

I want to address one particular post of his that I only noticed because Justin Katz is tearing Mr. Sullivan apart over larger topics.

Mr. Sullivan didn't like the movie The Passion, and doesn't much like its creator either -- even going so far as to call Mel Gibson a "heretic" using language that palpably longs to burn him at the nearest stake.

I'm tired of people believing that Gibson is representing Catholicism. He isn't. He is a rebel against Catholicism, specifically the reformed, open, repentant Catholicism of the Second Vatican Council. Gibson doesn't recognize the authority of the current Pope; he doesn't recognize the current mass - the central ritual of Catholics across the world. People are mistaken in believing that he merely prefers the Latin mass; he doesn't. He favors the Tridentine mass, a relic. He believes that all non-Catholics are going to hell, another heresy. He is clearly and palpably anti-Semitic. His movie is an act of aggression against Jews, and, as such, is an act of aggression against Catholicism and the current Pope's heroic efforts to confront the shameful history of the Church with regard to the Jewish people.
Further, on Mr. Gibson's obvious anti-Semitism:
[T]hat Gibson would use the message of Christ to advance it is what makes it doubly unforgivable.
For the first part, Mr. Sullivan gives absolutely no indication of where he gets his information. Some of the facts may be right, but where are they from? As for his characterizations of Mr. Gibson's opinions, those most certainly require some sourcing if anyone is going to take them seriously.

"He believes that all non-Catholics are going to hell, another heresy." Has he said this? If so, I'd very much like to know when and where. I doubt he has though, because his critics would have plastered it up on a billboard long before now, considering some of his biggest supporters are non-Catholic evangelicals. Further, Mr. Gibson has spent a great deal of time meeting with protestant religious leaders during the course of promoting his movie, and from what I've read by Christians I know here in Southern California no one got the impression that Mr. Gibson was anything but sincere. (Then again, he's an actor!)

"He is clearly and palpably anti-Semitic." It's so clear that there's a major controversy over the truth of that "fact", and most people -- across the spectrum -- apparently disagree with Mr. Sullivan. Probably because most people are stupid and...

not familiar with the medieval tropes that signal evil and that Gibson trafficks in. Gibson knows. And he knows how his movie will play in those parts of the world where anti-Semitic tropes are still recognized.
How clever of Mr. Gibson to package his anti-Semitism so subtly that it will be ineffective! Except in other parts of the world that are already anti-Semetic. If you already hate Jews, here's more fodder -- but anti-Semites show a tendency to blame Jews for everything and hardly need rational justification.

"[T]hat Gibson would use the message of Christ to advance it is what makes it doubly unforgivable." I wasn't aware that anti-Semitism is unforgivable. I'm no expert on Catholic doctrine, but my general understanding is that nothing is completely unforgivable. Who's the heretic now?

Andrew Sullivan is a mean, hateful, anti-Melite.

Update:
Here's a quote from an interview Mr. Gibson gave to the Austrailian Herald Sun, in which he says that non-Catholics are indeed hell-bound.

Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. “There is no salvation for those outside the Church,” Gibson replied. “I believe it.”

He elaborated: “Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She’s a much better person than I am. Honestly. She’s, like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it’s just not fair if she doesn’t make it, she’s better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it."

It sounds to me like he knows he's supposed to believe it because the Pope (that's "the chair", right?) says so. If he really does believe it, his actions don't show it. But if the Pope says it then it isn't heretical (to Catholics), as Andrew Sullivan claimed, right? Eh, I don't know, the whole Catholic Church thing confuses me sometimes.

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Joel Thomas said:

MSNBC is the one that first reported that the Australian Herald Sun had an interview in which Gibson said that non-Catholics wouldn't be saved.

I think Mel Gibson is rather nutty, but not anti-Semitic. Gibson is paying a price because he chose loyalty to his father over the opportunity to say his father was wrong in denying the Holocaust. Mel Gibson has said that he does believe that 6 million Jews died. However, he has repeatedly declined to say his father is wrong. He'll just say it isn't fair for people to drive a wedge between the two, and then gives an opinion that differs from his father's. That's enough of an answer for me, but not for others.

JT: Is this what you mean? Hadn't seen that before.

Anonymous said:

In the Sawyer interview of Gibson, he specifically said he thought non-Catholics could be "saved", but that it was "harder" (I saw the interview but am too lazy to look up the quote).

Just so you know, Eastern Rite Catholics pray for you heathen Protestants in our Mass (really), so maybe our praying will save you (that's a joke wrapped up in a truth in case anyone is wondering). We also pray for the Orthadox Catholics. Just one of those things that were carried over from 100s of years ago that no one has bothered to change, maybe because all the reforms have concentrated on Western Rite practices since that is the majority of Catholics practice and what the press reports on.

My guess is that Sullivan, along with lots of others - including American Catholics - don't understand or know the different branches of Catholicism (Eastern Rite priests and bishops, who report into the Pope, can marry, for example), much less the intracacies of Gibson's practices.

I stopped reading Sullivan a long time ago due to his anti-Catholic bias (it's okay to be anti-Catholic, but not anti-Semetic). Why does he care what this particular actor/director thinks compared to any of the 100s of others? It's about hate - and he hates Catholics (and anyone who rejects his view of marriage).

Joel Thomas said:

What is an "anti-Melite"?

JT: Someone who displays an irrational hatred for Mel Gibson.

Joel Thomas said:

I thought you might be making a double meaning or a play on words out of Greek mythology.

JT: Nah, I'm not that clever.

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