I really don't know what to make of this.
A congressman who tracks missing and exploited children said he found "truly disturbing" a report of a nudist camp in Florida for children as young as 11 years of age and is calling for an investigation.On one hand, I can't see how the government could possibly outlaw nudity on private property, and on the other hand I can't see how the government can allow child nudist camps but then enforce laws that make it illegal to take photographs of the camps. How can it be legal to go to a nudist camp and see naked children everywhere, but be illegal to take pictures?Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) asked Gov. Jeb Bush and Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist to investigate a nudist camp for children 11 to 18 years of age at the Lake Como Resort near Tampa.
"As co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus, I'm asking that current Florida law be reviewed to determine if this camp is indeed legal or if it has simply slipped under the radar screen of law enforcement for the past 10 years," Foley said in a June 18 letter to Bush and Crist. ...
"Our children are in no danger whatsoever," said Carolyn Hawkins, an AANR spokeswoman.
"We are about family recreation, and we want to keep it family social nude recreation. We're very protective of our kids, whether it be there or elsewhere," Hawkins added.
The AANR boasts 50,000 members and 260 clubs throughout the United States, Canada and Jamaica. The membership reflects a growing interest nationwide in camps for child and teen nudists, Hawkins said. ...
Parents and campers maintain that the camp promotes a healthy body image among the teens and better communication between the sexes. Campers are protected by adult counselors and sleep in tents isolated from regular resort-goers.
Nudity on private property in Florida is legal, even among minors, so long as there is no illicit sexual behavior. Foley, who lobbied for the Amber Alert network as a way to broadcast missing children's cases across the country, is calling on Bush and Crist to review the law.
Granted, not every picture taken at such a camp would fall under the definition of "pornography", but it's not at all far-fetched that some would. Much of the argument against child pornography is based around the idea that seeing such pictures "whets the appetite" of pedophiles and increases the likelyhood that they will abuse a child, which is why there is so much controversy over so-called "virtual" child pornography which is made without involving an actual child. Even though pictures taken at nudist camps aren't sexually explicit and do not record actual child abuse, couldn't they still serve to "encourage" pedophiles?
So what's the solution? I have no idea. We tend to behave rather irrationally when it comes to our children, and this irrationality leads to conflicting laws and policies as I described above. I don't see how a consistent policy can be created that permits child nudity on private property -- and thus nudist camps -- but prohibits "virtual" child pornography (or, arguably, some real child pornography).
your quandery displays ignorance. There is no connection between pornography and social nudity pictures takedn at a nudist camp would not in any way be pornography unless someone is doing something sexual in the picture. How pedophiles react to photos is their own problems should we stop taking pictures of our children alltogeather because some sicko might get off on it. Trying to ban nudist camps because some pervert might like the pictures is almost as perverted as being a pedophile in the first place.
Brett: There are plenty of people who believe that non-pornographic images of children can, in fact, serve to encourage pedophiles. That's precisely the point of contention; your failure to recognize the issue betrays your ignorance.
There are alot of sick people in this world. What good would it do to bann a nudiest camp for kids and teens. Unless there is abuse among the campers i feel there is no harm done. besides those SICK PEOPLE get off weather you are clothed or not. again i belive it would be up to the parents to decide weather this is the life they want to bring there children up in. those who choose to pivert nature should pay the price and be shot to death.
Would a simpler solution be to firmly ban all cameras at child nudist camps, except for one designated photographer with absolute secure checks made on them? I'm trying to figure a compromise - I'm all for nude camps, but not keen on paedophiles seeing nude pics of children; it can and does serve only to tempt them, much like leaving bottles of alcohol around an alcoholic's home.
Given that paedophiles can be persistent creeps, pxt-capable mobile phones would have to be banned also.
Simply ban all camera taking and Selling
of Videos {when children displayed nude from
NUDIST CAMPS
I would rather join the Nudist camp with no clothes on not even pants and I want to go to the swimming pool in kingston
how dare you think ANY mother would allow there child to even concieveably be put in ANY danger!
If we are suppose to succum to every little grotty minds wim of "encouragement", my child couldn't go to school, what if seeing a child with an adult teacher turns freals on? My child couldn't wear a scout uniform, what if ferals get off seeing children in uniform? What if! Well what if my child now has a healthy body image because we became nudist, what if my child wants to live now because my child has a positive view on themselfes because of been a nudist. ther are always two sides.
Why dont we just kill Every CONVICTED Pedifile in the US? Would this not solve the problem?
Just take anyone who can be PROVEN to be a pedifile and shoot them in the head.
Problem Solved!
I think that a nudist camp is a good idea but i was wondering if i could join one if i am 18 years old without havin parental permission.
Children these days are being told constantly that they can;t do things. If we close down nudist camps then we are taking away the freedom of our children and that is all that i have to say
Also wondering what it costs
It's a bigger problem than you realize.
i believe being in a place like camps ,beaches with others naked, is a step into adam and eves world ,why people panic , cause i don't know why,Oh i do know ,it is their lack of insecurity of someone else seeing them naked.
First,I would like to point out that I have a VERY healthy body image,A stable mind,and I am considered to be quite open-minded.Amazingly,I did not get this way by my parents or self parading around naked.I do not believe I need to show ALL of myself in a public forum to feel accepted or be free.No,I am not a prude,far from it,but there is no way I would allow my underage son to attend or be photographed.Not pedophiles?well,for some that "MAY" be true,but how many SANE people do you know that REALLY want pictures of naked children "just because"? I do know personally a family of nudists who used to run a camp in our area(now closed)now as an adult how does the daughter feel about her time living as a nudist? VIOLATED!!!This, she says was not HER "choice",but her parents who made her from infancy on.Does she feel Free and Accepted? NOPE!!Not only that, but she was also molested by someone at the camp.Yes,this "could" happen to anyone wearing clothes,but how much more so to those already exposed.IT HAPPENS PEOPLE! Get your head out of the clouds and your children's clothes back on for modesty and self preservations sake~we do not live in a perfect world where we can walk around naked anymore without someone seeking to do us or our children harm~private property or not!!
THEIR IN NO RECORD OF A RAPE EVER IN A NUDIST CAMP.
I agree that there should be no pictures of the children,but I also agree that there is nothing wrong with the camps.the camps are run by nudists themselves and I would think that they have had very thorough background checks .this could be healthy for them ,as it may build better sel esteem about their bodies .
What's about nudity?
Since I could think me and my parents and a other family there was no summer were we are not at a nudist beach in the south of France the last years. I'm 13 years old and to show you how natural it is I tell you a story. Last year me and my girlfriend with which I'm going to school we talked about holidays and what to do then. My girlfriend feels angry that her parents are staying at home for the hole summer. Without telling her I ask my parents if it could be possible to take her with us for our holiday vacation. They said that it would be no problem, and I told this my girlfriend. I told her also how we spent our holidays, means at the nudist beach! She was a little unsafe, but then I invited her to come with me an my mother to go to a local lake were we used to go at weekends and sometimes in the afternoons.This should be our test. After some minutes of shyness taking all her clothes away my girlfriend then likes the feeling very much to be naked. After this she was sure to manage it. Then we stayed 3 weeks at the nudist beach and camp ground for the summer holiday together. We are so lucky to be so natural there, swimming, playing games, tanning without lines, even cooking and eating in the nude. My girlfriend told me after only the second day that she never have felt such a freedom inside of her. She believes that she never ever again would like to wear any clothes at the beach for her hole life. We getting so familiar with it that there we are counting 11 days and nights in a row were we wear absolutely nothing. Then there were a night when it was a little colder and we had been forced to wear something. One day we went for a walk and we didn't recognize that we had left the campground and been on the normal clothing area. Suddenly some boys are waving to us and we didn't realize what they brought to such a reaction. Then we looked at each other and laughed so heavily. "We were naked"!. But we didn't give the boys a shamed reaction. We waved back and invited them to come to us to the nudist area. From the 4 boys of the group only 2 dared to do this and joined us later. It was big fun with them. We had a swim togehter and they told us also how nice it was. After that they came with us to our family were we held a little celebration at the night. We had a barbecue and some music and danced together.
Next year I will be 14 y.o. and me an my girlfriend planning to go with interrail through Europe and during this we will cover all the nudist beaches at Croatia and then at the south of France were we then met again my parents at our usual campground. Someone wants to join us?
erm... almost anything could be said to "encourage" a pedo. it's thought-policing, which is ridiculous, wanting to prosecute someone for what you think they might have thought
Just a thought. If you ban non-pornographic pictures, you will have to ban half of the child care books and put many mothers in jail who buy these books or take pictures of their own babies. Think before you talk ignorance.